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jatttelite
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 19:01:25
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Då har jag fått hem mitt ex.av Eastern Electric's MiniMax En av mina storhet ligger i att beskriva hur apparater låter, hur lät det då? Svinbra
Av någon märklig anledning är dem mycket sötare samt snyggare i verkligheten!
(tipps på slutsteg till detta försteg mottages med glädje (skulle Grendel fungera?))
(Men det kanske är för få av er som lyssnat på MiniMax?) |
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emp
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 19:09:21
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Jävlar va porrig! |
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zorro
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 19:13:32
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grattis! det är verkligen ett jättetrevligt försteg! verkligen sött! (och bra låter det) edit, slarv, slarv.. |
heja sverige! |
Edited by - zorro on 2003/09/12 12:05:00 |
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jatttelite
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 20:46:50
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emp: Jävlar va porrig!
Tack men du ska veta att den är liten så om man tycker att den är porrig så är det pedofilvarning |
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Tank
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 21:32:01
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Nejmen, var ligger den där bilden nånstans måntro?
Sött försteg är det i varje fall. |
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Bernt Jansson
400.000-klubben
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 22:13:50
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Det var en riktig skönhet!! |
MVH Bernt Mitt system
"Det enda man kan vara praktiskt taget säker på är att en rak tonkurva alltid är fel." - Ingvar Öhman
Jobbar för Jorma Design och gillar bashorn
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Daffyd
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Posted - 2003/09/11 : 22:14:39
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Tvärläckert ju! Var köpa? Pris? Vill ha:-)
Mvh. David.
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Den enda dumma frågan är den som inte ställs. |
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jatttelite
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Posted - 2003/09/12 : 07:20:25
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Daffyd "Tvärläckert ju! Var köpa? Pris? Vill ha:-)"
kolla med HSIVP |
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jatttelite
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520 Posts |
Posted - 2003/09/12 : 07:50:51
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Zorro det är ett försteg! Tank: ops |
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hsivp
Gissa vad min förkortning betyder!
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Posted - 2003/09/12 : 10:40:18
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Trevligt att du tyckte om den. Glöm inte att du kan byta rör till NOS-rör och få den att bli ännu bättre. /Adam |
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zorro
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Posted - 2003/09/12 : 12:07:37
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jatttelite: hehe, så kan det gå om man sitter i andra tankar.
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heja sverige! |
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hsivp
Gissa vad min förkortning betyder!
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Posted - 2003/09/12 : 15:25:07
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Ett litet tips på olika rör!!!
quote: Best of the Best 12AU7 (as posted to the Hong Kong Tube Audio Club)
From: ah_yung1d Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:31 am Subject: 12AU7 Party - Result
We have a wonderful party, with champagne and perhaps the biggest crowd ever in Vintage Sound, to celebrate the launch of the Eastern Electric MiniMax pre-amp designed by Alex, and also to attend the 12AU7 shoot out.
Just to give the background on the system used today :
Source : Jungson SACD player (as transport) + Micromega Duo BS DAC Pre-amp : EE MiniMax with GEC CV4005 + Telefunken E80CC/N in 1st stage Power amp : BBC AM8/6 KT88 PP monoblock Speaker : Early 15 ohm Spendor BC-1
Due to the vast number of 12AU7 tested, we decided to use famous "Choi Kam 3-noter" track as seen and heard in the opening scene of recent blockbuster, "The Infernal Affair".
Because of the large audience and number of 12AU7, I had to be full-time "tube changer" and stood next to the speaker in front of the audience during the shoot-out. Therefore, I cannot provide any fair input to the comparison but just to summarise the comments I heard.
We have tested 17 12AU7 this afternoon and, apart from the Chinese 12AU7, all the 12AU7 test are what people will be regarded as Rolls Royce or BMW grade. Some 12AU7 some members brought in are so rare that their very existence have never been reported.
And they are (in the sequence of appearance this afternoon) :
Amperex long welded plate D-getter 12AU7 (pre-1955) Chinese stock 12AU7 RCA 1940's black plate square getter 12AU7 Valvo long plate D-getter ECC82 (pre-1955) Siemens chrome plater double getter support ECC82 Marconi toast plate square getter wrinkle glass B329 (Mullard made) Telefunken ribbed plate wrinkle glass square getter ECC82 (the most early version) Telefunken smooth plate copper rod ECC82 Telefunken ECC802S factory certified version Telefunken ECC802S generic version Brimar long black plate square getter 12AU7 Brimar half box plate square getter CV4003 Hivac shinny black long smooth side square getter CV491 Gold Monarch B749 Mullard 10M gold pins 12AU7 Cossor wrinkle glass long welded plate square getter double support 12AU7 (likely to be Mullard/Ediswan made) Lorenz welded plate circle getter 12AU7 (tested below standard!)
As expected, there is no single 12AU7 rated by all above all others. But a few did stood out from the rest. And the Best of the Best are (in no particular order):
- Gold Monarch B749 - Lorenz welded plate circle getter 12AU7 (even with sub-standard readings!) - Mullard 10M gold pins 12AU7 - Telefunken ECC802S factory certified version - Cossor wrinkle glass long welded plate square getter double support - Siemens chrome plater double getter support ECC82 - Marconi toast plate square getter wrinkle glass B329 (Mullard made)
And the surprise of the day could well be the Chinese 12AU7. Even as it sound, by far, the least refined of all 12AU7 today, it actually gives an excellent bass extension and control to its merit!
Please provide me with your comment and let me know if I missed/misquoted any individual comment made today.
Again, let me thanks all of you for the participation of this great event. Tim
From: vinylforever Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:30 pm Subject: Re: 12AU7 Party - Result
Hi Tim
Many thanks for the excellent shoot-out which was so much fun. Are you planning to do one with 12AT7?
And congratulations to Alex for designing such a good pre-amp which is probably the best value for money ever. And those who loves tube- rolling would definitely find it a heaven-sent!
It was really "ear-opening" to listen to so many rare 12AU7's. But at the same, it became very difficult, or almost impossible, to remember how they each sounded afterwards.
If I were to pick three of the best, my somewhat vague recollection would lead me to the following choices (in that order):
1. Lorenz welded plate circle getter Musical yet airy, detailed and refined, the pace and rhythm in the music somehow became "just right".
2. Amperex long welded plate D-getter (pre-1955) Well-balanced and musical.
3. Cossor wrinkle glass long welded plate square getter double support Smooth, mellow, thick-sounding, might be the best for systems that are a bit thin-sounding.
And if I were to pick a fourth one, it would be TFK802S, although unfortunately the Lorenz ECC82 is better in all those areas that the TFK802S (used to) excel in! And personally, I don't hear a big difference between the ECC802S with the cert and the one without. The former seems a bit more analytical, the latter more mellow in the mid-range.
Best regards William
From: ayeung2002 Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 3:16 pm Subject: Re: 12AU7 Party - Result
Thank you vey much for such a nice party, especially the hard work of "tube changer" on MiniMax for our appreciation. We all had a wonderful time.
All the 12AU7s tried were Rolls Royce grade that I could barely remember the small differnce among them. I would say every each of them sounded great to my ears. If I must pick the tops, here are my choice.
1. Mullard 10M gold pin and Lorenz welded plate
2. Marconi toast plate square getter wrinkle glass B329 (Mullard made)
3. TFK802S both with and without cert
4. Siemens chrome plate
All the rest were very close. The stock Chinese 12AU7, ŒŒõ made, was really a surprise. Bass was tightly controled, except that high was a bit rough. Stock 6X4 in MiniMax is already an NOS GEC round getter that new owners shall be pleased for quite a while before plugging in some Rolls Royce grade tubes.
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Sudden
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Posted - 2003/09/12 : 15:41:25
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skulle det inte vara ett litet tips?
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Cyber
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Posted - 2003/09/13 : 04:58:24
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Det var en trevlig ögonsten vid forumsträffen och ljudet imponerade |
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hsivp
Gissa vad min förkortning betyder!
623 Posts |
Posted - 2003/09/16 : 20:43:05
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Ja visst är den gullig =) |
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jatttelite
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Posted - 2003/09/19 : 21:50:55
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Lite mer reklam kan den väl få. Den är ju så BRA! (har ingen relation till märket, mer än att jag äger ett ex.) mer åsikter tack, vad passar till detta söta försteg? |
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Bernt Jansson
400.000-klubben
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Posted - 2003/09/19 : 21:58:00
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Ett rörslutsteg passar definitivt! |
MVH Bernt Mitt system
"Det enda man kan vara praktiskt taget säker på är att en rak tonkurva alltid är fel." - Ingvar Öhman
Jobbar för Jorma Design och gillar bashorn
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Rydberg
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Posted - 2003/09/19 : 23:29:15
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Jatttelite> Är du sugen på NOS rör till ditt försteg så har jag både Telefunken 12au7 (ecc82) (smooth plate, <>) och Brimar 12au7(ecc82).
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I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing
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jatttelite
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Posted - 2003/09/19 : 23:53:25
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Rydberg Telefunken testar jag gärna PM:a om pris! |
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