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matte76
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Posted - 2007/11/21 :  09:47:54  Show Profile Send matte76 a Private Message
Någon som lyssnat på Led Zeppelins dubbel-cd samling "Mothership"? Hur är remastringen jämfört med de tidigare remastringar som finns på studioskivorna och på samlingen "Remasters"?

Har läst på flera ställen på nätet att ljudet ska vara klart bättre remastrat på denna nya samling, ett varmare och tydligare ljud. Hoppas det stämmer! Och hoppas att studioskivorna släpps med detta nya ljud, kanske med extraspår??

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matte76
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Posted - 2007/11/23 :  08:57:43  Show Profile Send matte76 a Private Message
Verkligen ingen som har lyssnat och jämfört??? Ska ev låna hem "Mothership" och jämföra med de studioskivor jag har hemma i cd-samlingen, men det vore intressant med andras åsikter...

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- Alla MÅSTE se "En obekväm sanning" (An inconvenient truth)!
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Hannes
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Posted - 2007/11/23 :  15:40:55  Show Profile Send Hannes a Private Message
Har inget förutom LP-skivoran att jämföra med. Mothership låter bra. Dessutom är skivan så pass snygg att den redan där är värd att köpa! Kanske inte till så mycket hjälp men nu har du fått en persons åsikt i varje fall! Dessutom är live-DVDn som följer med "delux"utgåvan riktigt trevlig!
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guffaw
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Posted - 2007/11/23 :  22:48:53  Show Profile Send guffaw a Private Message
matte76: bli inte arg för att folk inte hann svara :) jag vet hur segt det kan kännas ibland :) jag tror nog att det fins gott om Led Zeppelin-freakar här på forumet. :)

jag hade faktiskt ignorerat L.Z tills nu i år. en tjejkompis diggar dom skarpt. så jag köpte "Mothership" i dag på Frölunda torg.normalt sett så är...tja,bimbona som står i affären verkar tycka att man är en uteliggare/gubbe för att man ens tittar runt på cd bland hyllorna."men,hallå,crazy frog rullar!". dock,nu idag stod det en man i kassan som inte rynkade på näsan åt lite rock'n roll.han ledde mig till L.Z och tipsade om att "för en hundring till får du med en dvd!. "Den tar jag!"
Det var ganska sent då jag kom hem efter jobbet (av angenäma orsaker:) så jag fick lyssna på cd1 utan någon bas,men jag skall "dra på så in i helvete" i helgen,och återkomma med mina intryck. Det låter dock inte illa på något sätt än så länge.
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diffen
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Posted - 2007/11/24 :  19:16:02  Show Profile Send diffen a Private Message
Låter mycket bra tycker jag...., kanske saknas lite av det där stökiga soundet de emellanåt. De har iaf lyckats behålla mycket bra stereoseparation... Värd att investera i alltså

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Ledzepp
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Posted - 2007/11/29 :  09:09:42  Show Profile Send Ledzepp a Private Message
Ett givet köp, såklart!!

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mikaels
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Posted - 2007/11/29 :  10:37:57  Show Profile Send mikaels a Private Message
Nja, givet köp vet jag inte, som riktigt fan har men väl redan alla studioalbumen, och ett halvriktigt fan, som jag, har 4-CD-boxen, plus de olika live skivorena (How The West Was Won och at the BBC), samt den magnifika dubbel-DVDn, och Song Remains The Same, så vad behöver man egentligen Mothership till? Är den ett bättre köp än Remasters för ett nytt fan? Kanske, den har ju förvisso When The Levee Breaks...
Mer intressant tycker jag den remanstrade Song Remains The Same CDn är, som jag lyssnar på just nu. Stort lyft mot min gamla vinyl, både ljudmässigt och med en bunt nya låtar. Den var ett givet köp för mig, tänk att ha fått uppleva LZ live, det måste ha varit en speciell upplevelse!

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matte76
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Posted - 2007/11/29 :  10:52:42  Show Profile Send matte76 a Private Message
Den nya remastringen (på Mothership) ska tydligen vara betydligt bättre än den gamla (på Remasters). Och ryktet säger att alla studioskivorna släpps till våren med detta nya välljud (med extralåtar förhoppningsvis), och dessa blir då säkert givna köp!

- Blått ett lag - Malmö FF!
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- Alla MÅSTE se "En obekväm sanning" (An inconvenient truth)!
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Edited by - matte76 on 2007/11/29 10:53:44
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Ledzepp
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Posted - 2007/11/29 :  10:56:54  Show Profile Send Ledzepp a Private Message
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Nja, givet köp vet jag inte, som riktigt fan har men väl redan alla studioalbumen


Ja men ett riktigt fan köper den ändå!

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Jonasihm
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  12:45:26  Show Profile Send Jonasihm a Private Message
en som inte gillar mastringen på mothership

http://satelliten.wordpress.com/2007/11/12/kristallklart-ljud-utan-sjal/

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matte76
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  13:02:32  Show Profile Send matte76 a Private Message
Första jag läst som inte gillar den nya mastringen (hittade en till på Amazon.com, se nedan). "Skitbra ljud utan själ"? Är ljudet skitbra så är det väl? Kristallklart ljud är i mina öron positivt...när jag snabbt lyssnade på "Mothership" i helgen tyckte jag om ljudet i alla fall. Men vem vet, i längden kanske det inte funkar?

Någon mer som lyssnat? Åsikterna om ljudkvaliteten verkar gå isär en del, även om de flesta är positiva. Man får väl helt enkelt lyssna hemma i sin egen anläggning och själv avgöra, usch va jobbigt!!

Några som skrivit om ljudkvaliteten på Amazon.com:

quote:
The remastered sound quality( by Jimmy Page and John Davis at Alchemy Mastering,London)of these heavily familiar Led Zeppelin classics now sound fresh and new again.Every guitar lick,bass line and pounding drum has been restored to the highest fidelity,putting it ahead of even the fine 1993/94 remasters


En annan snubbe:

quote:
Every song in these two CDs is so vivid and vibrant that you get goosebumps for every note played and every sound reproduced. I could not believe my ears! It was like listening to the LED Zeppelin in your own studio while they recording the songs just for you and you are listening them LIVE and for the first time and falling in love with the music and the sweet sound and the melody of every note played, all over again! For years I thought that I could only hear that kind of sound in my Record Player. Yes, I am one of the rare breeds who still owns a record player and collected every vinyls ever produced by the Led Zeppelin. CDs were supposed to bring more Dynamic Range and realism to the sound and the music but what we had all these years are the washed down version of Super Genius work of art. I could not stand the CDs that were released. However, that did not stop me from buying the CDs. I bought every release hoping someday it will come out right. Well my patience finally paid off thanks to everybody who worked on this project and has made the band immortal for all the generations to come.


This compilation is to all the Audiophile's dream come true and prayers fulfilled, as some other reviewer said a true GODSEND indeed! Normally you would pay Ten or Twenty times more to get this kind of recording and remastering. If you are a true fan and audiophile you will definitely buy this set.


En till som är negativ:

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In the early days of CD and digital sound, the process of converting analog sound to a digital signal was not as good as it is now. Also, coming out of the age of vinyl, where too loud a sound on vinyl could cause the needle to jump, CD's tended to be mastered about the same volume as vinyl. The CD is capable of volume levels that are louder than vinyl.

But, rather than use technology to create a better sounding product, the record companies took a perspective that louder = better = more sales. In other words, the louder the product is, the more people will notice it.

The problem for those of us who enjoy music is that by making CD's a whole lot louder, we are also losing dynamics and dimension. Music is by nature, supposed to have peaks of loudness. There needs to be contrast. A visual representation of what we should be hearing versus what we are getting out of newer CD's would be aptly demonstrated IF I BEGAN TYPING IN ALL CAPS. THERE IS NO CONTRAST BETWEEN LOUD AND soft.

So, with Led Zeppelin's "Mothership" we are now getting louder music at the expense of dynamics. Jimmy Page remastered the entire Zeppelin catalog in 1991 and did a great job of using the technology available at that time. Technology exists now that could expand and sweeten the work that Jimmy did, BUT NO - THE MATERIAL HAD TO BE MADE MUCH LOUDER in order to be more competitive in today's market.

Competitive with what? I don't know. It's Led Zeppelin for crying out loud!

I really wish Jimmy would have taken a more active role in this new remaster job. (Yes, it does say he produced the tracks. He did - years ago. Producing is completely different from mastering - check the 90's CDs where they additionally credit "remastering" to Jimmy Page and George Marino. Jimmy was not involved in the remastering this time around. It was done by John Davis)

Listen to "Trampled Underfoot" Listen to the Jimmy Page remaster from the early 90's and then the "Mothership" remaster. Notice how the swirling guitar at the end of the keyboard solo seems to fade up, up, UP in loudness on the Jimmy Page remaster (it was mixed that way in 1975). On The "Mothership" the fade up is less dramatic. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU LOSE THOSE DYNAMICS WHEN MUSIC IS MASTERED TOO LOUD. Notice how when Bonzo crashes in to his cymbals on "Mothership", the sound of the cymbals is breaking up. That's because the sound is so loud, even the CD can't reproduce it. That's called clipping, basically.


Ett par positiva till:

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Zep Has Never Sounded Better, November 13, 2007
By T. Balogh ""music lover"" (California USA) - See all my reviews


Why buy this if you already have all the lps and/or the cds? Because the remastering and production quality is simply stunning. The best rock music ever recorded has never sounded better.


quote:
The remastered sound is the reason to buy this new comp. If you have a good sound system you'll hear a huge difference. I can hardly wait until they give the individual albums the same treatment.


quote:
If you are a Zep fan run to your nearest cd supply store and buy this set. I would have to say that the layers of detail and sound are without peer. This is the DE FACTO release of all these songs. I suggest you listen to this on quality audio equiptment. I have spent many hours with this set since it was released and I must say I am amazed.


Tråd om detta: http://snipurl.com/1v18l


- Blått ett lag - Malmö FF!
- Min anläggning: DH Labs Silversonic Power Plus (nätkablar) - Marantz SA-11S2 (CD/SACD) -> Xindak FA-1 XLR -> Marantz PM-11S1 -> Audioquest CV-8 (DBS, biwire) -> Canton Ergo 609 DC (Med Soundcare Superspikes)
- Alla MÅSTE se "En obekväm sanning" (An inconvenient truth)!
- Löjligt korta bilresor i Malmö - http://www.ingalojligabilresor.nu/

Edited by - matte76 on 2007/12/10 13:38:25
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osborne
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  14:15:20  Show Profile Send osborne a Private Message
Hej på er.
Har inte lyssnat på den ännu. Men jag väntar
även på att den kommer på LP. Den släpps i mars
som 4-LP Box....Det blir mumma

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Jonasihm
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  15:14:48  Show Profile Send Jonasihm a Private Message
Läckert med 4lp box funderar skarpt på att köpa lite retro prylar iform av förstärkare och vinylspelare

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långhåret
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  16:59:57  Show Profile Send långhåret a Private Message
Har lyssnat på Mothership, det är klart bättre ljud.
Har så gott som alla skivor i den gamla mastringen.


Musik...
Vad skulle man göra utan det?
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pick-me-up
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Posted - 2007/12/10 :  18:14:44  Show Profile Send pick-me-up a Private Message
Från sajten där jag är också med, stevehoffman.tv/forums/:

[QUOTE=JohnDavis;3050572]Im John Davis from Alchemy Mastering in London
have read with great interest everyones opinions on Led Zeps remastering
projects - I had the pleasure recently of working with Jimmy Page on the
new Mothership collection and i thought i would like to mention a few points.

I would have loved to have gone back to the original quarter inch masters
but time constraints had me remastering from 1610 flat transfers that were
copied in 1992!!!
This was far from ideal but i am hopefully next year gonna get the chance to
remaster from the bands quarter inch originals!

Im mastering REMs new album this week and have the choice of half inch
and 24bit 96k masters - some of the half inches beat DVD and vice versa
Im hoping that the led zep archive is going to be copied to 24-192 and
this I feel will be the produce the best remastering yet!

john davis
alchemy[/QUOTE]

De har också en diskussion om samma ämne:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=126513&highlight=John+Davis



Edited by - pick-me-up on 2007/12/10 18:16:32
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