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n00b
"Besan"
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 11:33:18
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TacT Millenium. Någon som lyssnat på denna ?? Jag tänkte att det var lika bra att slänga upp en ny tråd. Någon som snackade något om TacT. Jag har inte den blekaste om hur en sådan skulle låta men det har säkert någon här ?? Det är bara HiFi-klubben som säljer dessa ??
//jonas
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Pjotre
dr. kursuppgång
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 11:36:05
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TacT Millenium. Någon som lyssnat på denna ?? Jag tänkte att det var lika bra att slänga upp en ny tråd. Någon som snackade något om TacT. Jag har inte den blekaste om hur en sådan skulle låta men det har säkert någon här ?? Det är bara HiFi-klubben som säljer dessa ??
//jonas
Jag flyttar tråden till Hifi forum.
Pjotre
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n00b
"Besan"
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 11:40:27
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TacT Millenium. Någon som lyssnat på denna ?? Jag tänkte att det var lika bra att slänga upp en ny tråd. Någon som snackade något om TacT. Jag har inte den blekaste om hur en sådan skulle låta men det har säkert någon här ?? Det är bara HiFi-klubben som säljer dessa ??
//jonas
Jag flyttar tråden till Hifi forum.
Pjotre
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"Man blir aldrig fattig på att ta hem en vinst"
sorry =(
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Pjotre
dr. kursuppgång
3276 Posts |
Posted - 2002/07/10 : 11:43:18
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Ingen fara... Något jobb ska jag väl ha som moderator...
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Morgan
Dr. Akustikus... ikus... ikus
415 Posts |
Posted - 2002/07/10 : 18:17:40
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Hejsan! Jag har lyssnat till Millennium mkI - med en Classe-cd och ett par B&W Nautilus805 högtalare. Tyvärr var rummet långt ifrån bra, med hårda betongväggar och störande trafikbuller. Mitt bestående intryck är att den hade en rent betagande hög upplösning, med mycket neutral klang i ordets allra bästa bemärkelse. Röster lät väldigt realistiska, som om det var människor av kött och blod som stod framför mig och sjöng.
Men den höga renheten och neutraliteten är ju just en av de egenskaperna som man brukar tillskriva de använda högtalarna, så jag vet inte hur mycket lyssningsintrycket är värt. Jag har ju inte jämfört med andra förstärkare, andra högtalare och annat lyssningsrum. Jag kan däremot med fasthet slå fast att det då rakt inte fanns ett enda litet fel på återgivningen. Mycket bra, helt enkelt.
MVH /Morgan
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n/a
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 18:29:25
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Hej!
Kuriosa om TacT: "Egentligen" är Tact=NAD men, då NAD själva ansåg att deras varumärke( -NAD-, ed) var alltför inarbetat som 1st mellan/"låg"-budget/företag, så nöjde de sig med att ha Silverline som top-serie.
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jan
Hög Fidelitet
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 19:13:07
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Med fare for at fornærme en masse mennesker hermed min mening om TACT: "Superdetaljeret, meget fast og præcis med en næsten klinisk top der virkelig præsenterer alle detaljerne for lytteren. Flot design og en af de bedste volumekontroller der nogensinde er lavet ....... meeeeeen HVOR ER MUSIKKEN?"
Jeg fortrækker afgjort en god mellemklasse rørforstærker eller mere almindelige gode transistorforstærkere, selv om de kan være knap så afslørende.
Mvh. Jan Nielsen Editor HIGHfidelity "Don't worry. Everything is getting nicely out of control.... |
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Morgan
Dr. Akustikus... ikus... ikus
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 19:20:04
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Kuriosa om TacT: "Egentligen" är Tact=NAD men, då NAD själva ansåg att deras varumärke( -NAD-, ed) var alltför inarbetat som 1st mellan/"låg"-budget/företag, så nöjde de sig med att ha Silverline som top-serie.
Njaa... Jag vill nog korrigera dig en aning på den punkten. Läs vad Peter Lyngdorf själv skriver:
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"[...] I will give you a bit of background information: Back in 1992 I bought a 50% stake in the high-end speaker company Snell Acoustics. Kevin Voecks, who is now head of REVEL - the Harman owned speaker company, was the chief engineer. At the time I was also the majority shareholder of NAD electronics. The president of NAD electronics was Marty Borish who had previously been president of AR speaker company. AR had a very bright engineer, Bob Berkowitz. Bob was probably the first person to realize that someday it would be possible to do room correction. Bob also made some of the first mathematical equations that would someday lead to the development of room correction systems.
During one of many meetings with Marty Boris I became intrigued by the idea of room correction, so when one day Kevin Voecks came to me with the idea that Snell Acoustics should cooperate with an engineering company to make a 6-channel room correction system, I was all for it. Kevin then worked with Sigtech for some time to develop a 6-channel version of their correction system. After a short time Kevin realized that the drawback of the Sigtech was the lack of correction resolution at low frequencies, which was – and still is – 20 Hz.
At this time my company in Scandinavia (AudioNord), the largest Hi-fi retail company in Europe, was the distributor of Audio Alchemy, the company owned by Mark Shifter. Knowing that AA was capable of making very nice digital electronics I connected Kevin Voecks and AA/Mark Shifter and subsequently (Autumn 1992) Snell entered a development agreement with AA to design a room correction system.
Mark Shifter announced in "Stereo Review" in April 1993 that Audio Alchemy/Snell Acoustics would have the correction system available "this spring". However, after working on the project with AA for one year it became apparent the AA was not able to make a workable solution and Kevin gave up the project with AA.
Then in the autumn of 1993 Kevin met Dr. Radomir Bozovic (Boz) at the AES convention in New York. Boz was showing his DSP engines which were capable of astounding performance - far beyond anything Kevin had experienced. In November 1993 a development contract was signed between Snell and Boz and within a few months Boz had designed a correction system that in Kevin's opinion was far superior to anything on the market. The product was later sold as the Snell RCS 1000 at a retail price of $18,000.
In 1997 I had bought all of the shares of Snell Acoustics and become the sole owner. In 1997 Kevin was headhunted to Harman International to start up the Revel speaker company. Harman also tried to hire Boz, but Boz and I decided it was better for us to use the technology in NAD Electronics, which was still controlled by me. I found another excellent engineer – Dave Smith to head the development of speakers at Snell Acoustics and sold the company to my good friends at Boston Acoustics. Boz and I continued to work together developing products that were intended to be sold as NAD products. However, in 1998 Boz and I decided to start a new company owned 50/50 with the purpose of developing the world's best sounding audio products. I had become so involved and enthusiastic about this new venture that I decided to sell NAD to some of my other friends at Lenbrook industries in Canada. (Selling NAD actually hurt a lot. I had been closely involved with the company since 1978 and very involved with product development. NAD have consistently made products that just sound so much better than almost any products in the price category. ) . The room correction system is now in the fourth generation since the first system designed for Snell. The unique combination of talent at TacT Audio has catapulted the company to become the most successful start-up in the high-end arena.
In the daily development of the room correction systems, Boz is responsible for all the advanced mathematics and DSP code. With regards to resolution, distortion etc. there is no match for the systems designed by TacT audio. When it comes to listening tests, etc., I am the person responsible for that department. My office and listening rooms are in Denmark. Denmark with a population of 5 million educates more specialized acoustical engineers than the USA, so it is no coincidence that Denmark has some of the best speaker driver manufacturers in the world: Vifa, Peerless, Scanspeak, Dynaudio, Dali and Audiotechnology, and the most famous manufacturer of acoustical measurement equipment and microphones: B&K. I know the engineers and/or owners of all of these companies, so any questions regarding measurement techniques etc. have been bounced on a number of the best brains in the industry. The engineer that developed the first B&K microphone worked as a consultant for me for 5 years, and he is still a good friend. For good measure, I own the very successful speaker factory, DALI with some of the best acoustical engineers in Denmark.
What I am trying to say in not so few words is: Boz and I did not just stumble over a few lines of code and decide to make a correction system. One of the things that were discovered very early on when Boz and Kevin started to work on the correction system (before I got so heavily involved) was that none of the standard measurement methods were useable for correction. A big part of the development has been concentrated around making measurements that are consistent with what we actually hear and at the same time do not lead to side-effects. When you want to measure the perceived frequency response, you can't treat all frequencies equally with regards to filtering, gating and smoothing. Also, you have to take into account the wavelength versus correction resolution, the way the sound decays at different frequencies etc., etc.
It is a mistake to have flat frequency response as your target, unless you live in an anechoic chamber. To get a natural sound you need to adjust the target curve in a way that mimics the response you would be getting in an average listening without any specific resonances, cancellations etc. In other words it could be the average response of a thousand different good rooms. To put it in simple terms, you do not want to get the frequency response you would get in an anechoic chamber, but the response you would get in a real listening environment without any specific resonances etc. The target curves suggested by TacT are meant as a starting point for correction. "TacTA1" Is the most universally accepted for large speaker systems with good bass extension. This curve has an increase of around 6 dB in the lower bas region – to mimic the room gain at low frequencies and a gradual roll-off at higher frequencies to mimic the higher absorption of higher frequencies in listening rooms. The curve can be modified very easily with a drag and drop tool where you can directly compare your loudspeakers' response with the target curve in the target curve editor. (The measurements brought into the target curve editor are the calibrated – and thereby accurate – measurements. The measurements on the main screen are for quick view only.)
If you wish to maintain the general character of your speaker system you can tailor the target curve to follow the general tendency of the speaker itself.
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Peter Lyngdorf, TacT Audio"
Detta är ett utdrag från en artikel i "Audiogon" -
Lyngdorf och Bozovic startade TacT av lite andra skäl än du antyder, och kopplingen till Nad's gamla rumskorrigering är inte så stark. Däremot är kopplingen till Toccata Technology desto starkare - de som utvecklade Equibit-tekniken till de digitala förstärkarna.
MVH /Morgan
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 19:29:13
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Hej!
Nu läste A här iofs bara de 2st första raderna men där, står det att Peter Lyngdorf när TacT bildades var majoritet´s-ägare av NAD, så vad? är det som motsäger det A här ovan skrev( alla talar ju inte alltid 100% sanningsenligt om allting, eller??),
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Audionet
Reportage-Harry 2007, 100.000-klubben
4639 Posts |
Posted - 2002/07/10 : 20:22:13
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Med fare for at fornærme en masse mennesker hermed min mening om TACT: "Superdetaljeret, meget fast og præcis med en næsten klinisk top der virkelig præsenterer alle detaljerne for lytteren. Flot design og en af de bedste volumekontroller der nogensinde er lavet ....... meeeeeen HVOR ER MUSIKKEN?"
Jeg fortrækker afgjort en god mellemklasse rørforstærker eller mere almindelige gode transistorforstærkere, selv om de kan være knap så afslørende.
Mvh. Jan Nielsen Editor HIGHfidelity "Don't worry. Everything is getting nicely out of control...."
Precis vad jag har tänkt varje gång jag har haft möjlighet till lyssning.
Mvh Audionet
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CH
Member
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Posted - 2002/07/10 : 20:45:57
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Lite lustigt det där om Mark Schifters inblandning...hur många år har han lovat rumskorrigering till sin Perpetual Tech P-1:a... Kommer säkert när som helst... Annars helt ok, Perpetuals enheter.
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